Posts by jonathan dough

Not really. Maybe you could sum it up in a paragraph or two with some citations? If it is so obvious it shouldn't take that long since we're dealing with only a handfull of verses.

http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html#I

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

The story of Adam and Eve was a metaphor, not based on reality.

Maybe, maybe not. How do you know?

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

Relax. It was tongue in cheek for crying out loud. Dude.

Um, it's dudette to you, mister.

So how about Jer 31:31-34

So, what about it? You are aware your interpretation will not be mine?

Sorry.

Just, what does it mean to them, er, you. It says it will not be like the old covenant. I'll wait while you go look it up.

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

I thought you people didn't speak in tongues.

Dude, what is wrong with you? Are you being purposefully dense? Since when is speaking Hebrew speaking in tongues?

Relax. It was tongue in cheek for crying out loud. Dude.

So how about Jer 31:31-34

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Millenium views? - Pre or Post

by xelder in

i've read both of ray franz's books (excellent) and both of carl o. jonsson's (also excellent) after dismantling the wt doctrine of 607 and last days, carl o. jonsson comments on the establishment of christ's kingdom in the year 33. i assume (i think i'm right) that he is supporting a postmillenialist or amillenialist view, as apposed to premillenialism.

can anyone point me to a good source of information and discussion on these various views?

do any of you favor one over another?

jonathan dough

I really think that depends on your understanding of "The Kingdom".

Doug

Or what 1,000 years mean.

http://144000.110mb.com/144000/i-7.html#VIII

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

They might still be, but it's not exclusive. Now THAT'S presumptious

I never said is was exclusive. I said the covenant stands. And it does. Sheesh.

Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad

Barukh sheim k'vod malkhuto l'olam va'ed.

I thought you people didn't speak in tongues. So how about Jer 31:31-34

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

Say what you want about the Jews but remember: the covenant between our God and my people is forever.

No it's not, it was conditional. You are my people IF....

They didn't do the IF part. Hey, don't get me wrong, I like Jews. No, I love them as a whole, out of pity no doubt ... and because they were God's people. They might still be, but it's not exclusive. Now THAT'S presumptious.

And if Paul is correct they will eventually be brought in to the New Covenant.

http://144000.110mb.com/144000/i-3.html#C

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

We make the choice to do evil or good. We are the ones responsible. And you will never be free until you realize that.

I don't think we disagree on this part. Jesus said to repent. The NT is about choices. Christians have a responsibility to stand up to Satan. Not sure what version of Christianity you are referring to.

http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-9.html#47

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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

by jonathan dough in

how much was the ransom?

gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

gods gift required more.

jonathan dough

"The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being."

This is from Judaism 101 and let me tell you it sends shivers down my spine because it portrays the anti-Christ of the Book of Revelation. Wow! You people are off your rockers!